018- Danica Dedmon – Bringing Hope, Joy and Generosity into the Workplace

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been handpicked to be there. Just those who thought they were coming, they weren’t able to make it, and then those who were there, it was just really, really special. So it was great to just watch you in action with your gifts and your talents and you’re a wonderful facilitator and you have a great story. And today, I feel like for the pillars that will be great to emphasize will be fitness and family,but this time fitness, we’re going to look at it more as emotional fitness rather than physical fitness.

And it’ll be twofold. It’ll be your work with Marketplace Chaplains, which I can’t wait for the listeners to understand more about what that is, and then just your own emotional journey in life and how you have unpacked your own two word purpose statement and you’re using that to help others and to be generous. So, so excited for this time together.

Danica Dedmon:I love it. Can’t wait.

 

Kim Moeller:So let’s start, you’re talking about you’re raising your boys in Orange County, and why don’t you tell the listener alittle bit about your background and how you came to be married to Brent and purchase Blue Sky Ranch?

Danica Dedmon:Yeah, so we’re a blended family, our boys at the moment are almost 12 and eight and a half. So we’ve got the brand new middle schooler who is loving bouncing around to class to class, and currently emotionally very sad because he’s going to need braces soon, so we’re just navigating all of those preteen things. And our 8-year-old is bouncing around on the soccer field and full of energy, and so it’s been really beautiful and also really trying. I have to bet ransparent that having two boys that are three and a half years apart learn how to have a sibling is serious business.

Kim Moeller:Yes.

Danica Dedmon:We see that they both are so grateful to have the brother and the playmate, and at the same time it’s a lot of life lessons that we are cramming in of, yeah,just they’re two different boys, yet they compete and all of that. And so I’m super grateful for just the way that God has handpicked Brent to be my partner in it and having a spouse that is just investing so intentionally in the growth of our family and leaning on the Lord to guide that process. We both acknowledge that there is a lot of hurt and there is sin and disappointment, and there’s stuff in our past that has really shaped what got us to the place of needing to look for one another. But sure enough, we found each other on an app and got to connect and share upfront, “This is what I’ve experienced and this is what I’m looking for,” and God has just grown something really beautiful that we’re super grateful for. And so my joke nowadays is that Brent and I did not have a baby together, but we had a ranch, and so that is the infant in our family right now,where we’ve got-

Kim Moeller:That’s funny.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage3of13Danica Dedmon:28 acres in the Sierra Foothills that need a lot of attention, and we wake up inthe middle of the night wondering how it’s doing, but just trusting God to use it.We want to be generous with it, and we want to steward the land well, and create a beautiful place for people to rest. So yeah, that’s a little snapshot foryou.

Kim Moeller:I love that. I love that you’ve been entrusted with this ranch, you’re raising theboys in Orange County. And I have one boy and three girls,but any friends that have more than one boy, their boys are just always touching each other and hitting each other and they can’t keep their hands to themselves.

Danica Dedmon:They know how to push each other’s buttons.

Kim Moeller:Yes.

Danica Dedmon:Igrew up with one sister, so Brent is one of three boys, but I grew up with one sister, so the whole boy realm of what goes on and what’s normal is just taking some learning for me.Kim Moeller:Yes, yes. Well, it’s learning, whether it’s a blended family,or-Danica Dedmon:Absolutely.

Kim Moeller:A non-blended family, for sure. Okay, so one thing you mentioned, to this pointof bringing you both together, and then prior to this recording, you and I were talking a little bit about how you got to that point. So how about if you unpack for the listener a little bit more of your story prior to meeting Brent?

Danica Dedmon:Right, yeah, and I think that part of it really folds into the why of what I do for work now too, of just looking back at my life, growingup in a Christian home,and just following the rules and following the dominoes of what you do. And ended up getting married very, very early, and my husband at the time was verydepressed and I did not know much about mental illness and did not know how to support him well and wanted to be the savior, and really thought that I was doing what I needed to do as a wife leaning in and being there for him. But it just got to the point where my career was one of those where I was 70 hours probably in the office and I had an infant at home, worried about the care he was receiving, and just heartbroken about what to do with my life at home.And then because I’m spread thin with the way that I was working, did not have the capacity or just knowing what steps to take to take care of myself and grow and discover, how do I navigate what’s next for me? And so I got to the point where once we were divorced and I had some respite under living with my parents again and reinventing, and it’s not a reinvention on my own doing, it’s allowing the Lord to reveal what He has for me, I was able to go through the process of doing this two word purpose statement that you’ve talked to the audience about before, and under Mary’s teaching, discovered my two words

 

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And unearthing is kind of a dirty word. That’s hardwork.Kim Moeller:Tough job.Danica Dedmon:It’s not clean. And that produced such clarity and inspiration for me to feel okayabout what I had gone through, feeling yucky and hard work, knowing that God was bringing treasure to the surface to be held and invested. And so out of that,looking at the pain of my past, building an empathy for people who areexperiencing a family dynamic with mental illness in the mix, building empathy for moms who are trying to make ends meet and raise [inaudible 00:11:01]-Kim Moeller:Trying to juggle it all, 100%.Danica Dedmon:All of that surfaced and allowed me to spend six years serving at MOPSInternational, and so I was able to pour into that passion of motherhood and wanting to serve that cause. And then going through a process with the Lord of feeling like, “Okay, I’m ready to be in a relationship if that’s what you want ofme,” and meeting Brent and having him bring to life some of that other unearthing of treasure, of what could be, what does a healthy relationship looklike between us? And then stepping into a season of feeling the Lord prompting for me to be open to another career change. And I shared with Jenn Tarbell,who you’ve had on the podcast, I shared with her over coffee, “I’m feeling theLord prompting me to be open,” and the next day she heard about this role thatI’m in now.Kim Moeller:Wow.Danica Dedmon:And it was just such a gift for the Lord to affirm, “This role is something that I’ve been prepping you for,” because I have a love for business, I have a love for ministry, and I have this past of coming through a mentally ill dynamic in thefamily, and a feeling of being stuck, and a feeling of not knowing who to confide in, because a lot of us have people in our life, family or friends or coworkers,that we should be able to go to, but a lot of times we don’t because we don’t want to burden them with what’s going on in our heart. And when I heard about what Marketplace Chaplains does of showing up at the workplace and building a trusted relationship that is confidential and non-judgmental and provides practical next steps for people to work through the troubles they’re having in life, it’s like, “Oh yes, of course, I want to further this mission.” It’s just been amazing to see the progression.Kim Moeller:Oh, it’s almost as if God knew that-Danica Dedmon:He does, He does.Kim Moeller:Your background would fit perfectly like a glove. So explain to the listener, whatis Marketplace Chaplains?I know some people know what it is, but I want to

 

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make sure it’s defined in case somebody doesn’t know at all what it is. And maybe they actually want to contact you later and see about having Marketplace Chaplains in their own business.

Danica Dedmon:Yeah, I think that the word chaplain gets misspelled a ton and gets misunderstood, people don’t know what it is. If they’ve had any interaction witha chaplain, it’s likely been in the context of a hospital visit, or through military experience, or a chaplainshowing up at a crisis first responder event.Kim Moeller:Very true, and never seen them again kind of thing, one time.Danica Dedmon:Yes. But at its core, a chaplain is there to listen, comfort, provide hope, and anext step. And in the case of Marketplace Chaplains, we’re doing that in the context of a relationship that has been introduced by someone’s employer. Soan employer will partner with us as an organization and say that they would likeus to provide a dedicated team of chaplains to visit the workplace. Now, if they’re remote, we navigate that and do remote outreach.Kim Moeller:Do Zoom calls and that’s neat, so you provide both?Danica Dedmon:Right, we provide both. But the core of what we do is show up and wear thatface to walk through the hallways of an office or a warehouse or a farm, you name it, and connect with the employees. And it serves as a reminder that we’re here for them, because truly we’re there, we’re available to them 24/7.They can call, text, email, set up an appointment, anytime. But that worksite visit is that reminder and that trust builder of consistency.Kim Moeller:I love that model, just because you could be running a steel factory, or youcould have a financial planning company, or a widget company, or whatever itis, and that employer sees the need for soul care and sees the need of, I know it sis a Christian ministry, but I also know that you serve in companies that aren’t Christian and you respect various faiths and you make yourselves available to listen and empathize. And in today’s world, especially this post COVID time, it’sso, so vital, and I just love what Marketplace Chaplain stands for. So sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off, so keep going.Danica Dedmon:No, it’s perfect, and that’s a great reminder of some of the details around, when we get to know a workplace and the types of employees that are there, we lean into what languages are represented, or what career background should maybe one of our chaplains have in order to best connect with the people that work at a certain warehouse or financial office or whatever the picture may be. And what I love too about the future opportunity is that we’re always looking for people to come on board with us as a chaplain. You don’t have to have an outside certification or degree, we’re looking for people who are great listeners,that have some sort of experience in some sort of care ministry, but we take-Kim Moeller:Pastoral maybe.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage6of13Danica Dedmon:Yeah, pastoral, counseling. There are a lot of churches that train up people to be the care ministry and so they already have a good taste of what it’s like to be a chaplain, and we get to then deploy them into the marketplace to do that sametype of work. And so we take them through our own training and certification and coach them along the way, and it’s just such a great way for people to use their natural gift of care and listening, and be able to reach a people group that frankly the church is missing right now because so many people aren’t diving into a church community.They’re showing up at work every day.Kim Moeller:Right, exactly.Danica Dedmon:But they don’t have other points of deep connection, and so we get to show upwhere they are and be Jesus to them.Kim Moeller:That’s so beautiful. My husband used to travel a lot overseas and they would call it the Ministry of the Wet Shoulder, and it was just being there without advice, just listening and allowing that person to cry on the person’s shoulder if needed. And I think also just to be seen and to know that there is that continuity of the chaplain, oh, that person will be coming back, and I can continue that conversation, as that trust is built rather than the one time conversation. And again, I think it’s just so beautiful that the employer pays for the service because everyone knows how expensive it is to train employees and then have to rehireand the person leaves. And when you can make sure that someone’s emotional needs are not always being 100% met, but at least the chaplain’s aware and someone feels seen and heard, that goes a long, long way in employee retention, and I’m sure the price that you pay to have the service is far less than just rapid turnover of employees and having to hire again and do retraining andeven the culture of the workplace.Danica Dedmon:Absolutely. And we never position this service as a replacement for internalcare, that’s so important, to train up the leaders of your company to build out aculture of care, but our capacity to do that and our capacity in terms of training or knowing how to handle certain situations, it is just not there. And so if we canenhance and compliment this culture of care for an employer, what a gift thatthey’re giving their people.Kim Moeller:What a gift.Danica Dedmon:What a gift.Kim Moeller:Yes. And you mentioned this before when you and I were talking, but just your own realization of learning how to take care of yourself and your needs. And when you were talking about that, it just reminded me of the announcement always on the airplane of making sure that you put your oxygen mask on first because no one is going to take care of us in the way that we know our body,our mind, our soul needs at that given moment. And sometimes, obviously,seasons are crazy and we’re not able to be as great at itas we would like to, but

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage7of13the body does keep score, and it’s important that we allow ourselves to rest and sleep and we do.Danica Dedmon:And eat, right?Kim Moeller:Eat. Yes.Danica Dedmon:It’s the basics. I think back and it’s like, well, no wonder you were grumpy, youdidn’t eat until 4:00 PM, some of the basics. And that’s what I love about someof the progression that I’ve seen for myself personally, and then what I get to see out in the marketplace, is to just help people dialogue and then dial in on what are the practical things that I’m just missing but would help so much in moving forward in my growth and me readying myself for whatever’s next?Because I can’t see around the corner and I don’t know what’s coming, but I know that there’s things that I can do today so that I’m building a more resilientstance for what’s ahead.Kim Moeller:Right. I asked my doctor, she’s female, just like general practice doctor, aboutdementia and Alzheimer’s, and what do you see as what can you do to prevent that?And she said that she feels the number one measure you can take is sleep, and the importance of sleep in your life. I know. And it’s something you can’t…My husband and I, when the kids were little, used to say, we’d catch up on sleep when we die, and that’s really not healthy and I don’t want to be broadcasting that on the podcast because it isn’t something that you can catch up on later. Itis a cumulative thing that you need to be in a habit of getting the however manyhours your body needs. But there’s just always, life is such a balancing, juggling act of surrender and what comes before us and navigating and taking care of, even you and I were talking earlier about all the financial things that, the prior podcast to you, we’ve had a financial advisor, and a gal whose widow is acertified financial planner, and all of that paperwork.And sometimes it is overwhelming and you can do nothing about any of itbecause it’s paralyzing. But I always love to go back to the goal of the podcast,and today we’re focused on the emotional fitness side and then the family side, and wanting people to just take that next step. And when they hear the podcastand hear your story and their own emotional fitness, what is that step for them?And maybe it is just trying to take a walk outside and get some fresh air, but realizing just that, how important each person’s soul is, and we’re not made tojust be going, going, going, going, and burn out, because eventually we will, and that doesn’t help any of us.Danica Dedmon:And the other thing that I come back to and, to the world, it doesn’t make sense, and sometimes when we get wrapped up in this self-care talk, it gets set aside, but there really is something to having one of your next steps be an act ofgenerosity. It can reset us and it can help us gain some perspective and some gratitude. And it doesn’t mean, “Oh, I’m overwhelmed and now I have nothing else to give,” we always have something to give. And so when we’re in that state

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage8of13of overwhelm, it’s such a healthy practiceto take inventory. We talk about this with Women Doing Well, take inventory. What do I have and who is in my proximity that it makes sense for me to act on that in a generous way and create space for then God to fill us up out of that act of obedience andgenerosity?I think that that part of our fitness helps us set us apart from what the world is saying about self-care, but it’s so affirmed. It does align us.

That’s my word for the year is align. And when I take that time to take inventory and ask the Lord to align what I’m seeing as a crazy mixed up mess, asking him to align thatinventory and then discover a next step, it’s just a really powerful thing. And so Ihope that, as people listen to this podcast and think about where they’re at andthink about what things they can do to invest in that fitness, I would say don’tlook at the big picture because we end up freezing and we don’t do anything,but take that inventory and then just choose, I’m going to do one thingdifferently, just one thing, and then let that grow, let that build.Kim Moeller:I like how prior to this podcast also, you talked about how a word of empathy can also be an act of generosity. And sometimes that is maybe all that a person feels they can give is kind words, and they don’t have the resources or they don’t have the time, but we can always give those kind words. But my husbandand I just got back on Saturday night, today’s Monday that we’re recording this, but we were in Mexico Thursday through Saturday night, and we were buildinga home in two days with the Youth With A Mission group down there. Therewas a conference, and then they had three homes that we built, so we split intothree teams. And it is always so staggering and unbelievable when you just drive40 minutes from North San Diego across that border, and it is another world,same ocean, same mountains, but just the lack of paved roads and all the dirtand the tarps and the homes and shelters that people are living in, that it can bevery overwhelming.And they sharedthe starfish story of the boy on the beach throwing one starfishat a time back in and saying, “Well, how are you helping just by throwing all those one at a time back in?” But he’s like, “If I save one starfish and change onestarfish’s little life, it’ll be worth it,” and this family that we built this house for, they had lived honestly with a blanket as their front door, no lock, little child, six years old, another, a boy, and then a daughter, 11. And we gave them the keysfor the door for her to open it up and then be able to lock it and I just thought, Ican’t even imagine going to sleep the first night, and the mom was in her earlythirties, and it’s the first night she’s ever slept knowing that her kids are under aroof in a home, and the paralyzation is honestly, I can look at it all and just think,wow, the need is just so, so great. But then when we came back and it’s late onSaturday night, and you do feel like, okay, all the dirt roads are still there and all the really massive poverty is still there, but one family has a home because of this team of 25 of us who built this.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage9of13And really, props to the Youth With A Mission San Diego/Baja group that has figured out a way to make this such a great way for people to bond with the family, and then you even take them to Walmart down in Tijuana, and she’dnever been in a Walmart, to be able to buy some clothes for her daughter. And everybody chips in and they take that money to bless the family. And they’ve built over 8,000 homes over these 33 years, and in 27 different countries. SoTijuana is just one of the places, but also in the Ukraine, in the area where the rocket shells were hitting because the homes were destroyed, they were rebuilding homes there. So just incredible, really. I don’t know. It’s onething towrite a check to an organization, but when your heart gets involved, it’s a whole other story. And I’m sure with Marketplace Chaplains, do you have any storythat you can tell about someone whose life was radically impacted through your ministry?Danica Dedmon:Gosh. Yeah, there’s so many stories. I think the ones that end up sticking withyou are when someone is so, so resistant to this idea of talking to a chaplain.There’s one on my mind where our presence was there for seven years, and this male chaplain showed up and consistently was there, there was a time block on Tuesdays, always at this office, but this one man in particular was vocal about his opposition to the idea and would not engage with the chaplain. Yet, when something happened to this man’s daughter, our chaplain was the first person that he called, and the chaplain showed up to be there with the family throughthe hospital visits, through the what do we do next steps for help for this daughter.Kim Moeller:Sure.Danica Dedmon:And at that point then, now when our chaplain had something come up and he needed to change his day and wasn’t there on Tuesday, he was getting a call from that resistant employee of, “Where are you?”Kim Moeller:”Where are you? I need you.”Danica Dedmon:Yes. And so I love to encourage leaders who are hesitant about how receptive people might be, because there’s so, so much power when there is consistent presence, and this is God’s ministry. He’s the one at work, he’s stirring inpeople’s hearts, and the people in our lives around us that are so, so resistant,we can trust that he is working on them. And if we just keep showing up andkeep loving them despite what they share with us, he can work miracles and notonly impact just that one person, but a family[inaudible 00:31:27].Kim Moeller:And generations.Danica Dedmon:Generations. Yep.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage10of13Kim Moeller:Wow. And your role is business development, so you’re trying to find additional partners and companies and workplaces that might be interested in utilizingMarketplace Chaplains?Danica Dedmon:Yes.Kim Moeller:Okay.Danica Dedmon:I have not heard of an industry that we’re not in, which is so fun.Kim Moeller:So fun.Danica Dedmon:And the spectrum of, we have companies that have four employees, and we have companies that have tens of thousands of employees. So the size of company really doesn’t matter. We get to model and customize the way that we care for them based on where their people are and what their work life lookslike, and so I love that process of getting to understand where the leaders are coming from, what gaps they see in their current care operations, and help them see where we might fill in some of those gaps.Kim Moeller:So beautiful, Danica, what a neat ministry and just how, like you said, your two word purpose statement, unearthing treasure, allows you to use that as you promote what this ministry does, and as these chaplains unearth the treasure in each work person in the marketplace. So I just think it’s so great how you’ve taken your story, overcome, as we all have, our own version of overcoming adversity, and here God has you now in the corporate world, but then you’ve got the Blue Sky Ranch and wanting to have people there, like an Airbnb, to be able to use it and get away and have that space. I love the title Blue Sky. Did you want to say anything about your property before we go to your favorite book?Danica Dedmon:Well, like I alluded to, it’s in its infancy, and so we’ve been really blessed to havea ton of people stay with us all summer, in and out, in and out. And it’s been so much work, yet when I sit and I read their feedback about what it was like to be here, it just affirms, it’s just such a gift to get out and be in quiet and hear cows mooing and birds chirping and watch baby horses grow up. It’s just such a unique setting compared to what we come from, and it really blesses people.And so now as we venture into wanting to gift time to people in ministry, or gift it to different fundraisers and what not, just have it be part of our generosity story, that it’s not just a vacation home for us, it’s not just an Airbnb. It really is something that we want to bless people with.Kim Moeller:Is there a website they can go to learn more about it?Danica Dedmon:Yes, it is blueskyranchrental.com.Kim Moeller:Okay, .com.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage11of13Danica Dedmon:[inaudible 00:34:35].Kim Moeller:Okay, and that will be in the show notes.Danica Dedmon:Yeah, it’ll be the show notes. And yeah, we look forward to getting creative with people of how we can create aspace for them to really experience God out herein the beautiful Foothills.Kim Moeller:So beautiful. I love it.

 

Any current book that you’re reading that’s your favoriteright now?Danica Dedmon:Right now I’m reading Habits of the Household, and I don’t remember theauthor’s name, it might be Justin something. I should look it up anyway.Kim Moeller:That’s okay. I haven’t heard of that book. What’s the high level?Danica Dedmon:It’s just trying to incorporate rhythms for the family that point us backto theLord. And so what are simple rhythms that we can instill in ourselves and ourkids where, from the moment we wake up, instead of checking email, be inscripture, or what are different prayers that we can recite throughout our dayso that we’re setting ourselves up to lean on the Lord through whatever he hasfor us, so it takes you through the wheel of a day and gives suggestions forhabits for the family.Kim Moeller:That’s beautiful. I want to definitely check that out. And any Bible verse that’syour favorite Bible verse?Danica Dedmon:Romans 5, 3 through 5, would be my go-to, and that really speaks to that. TheLord builds character through persevering, and as he does that we can lean onthis hope that he has for us, and so those struggles thatwe go through don’tneed to be a disappointment, we can grow through them and gain hopethrough them. And so that has been a verse for me to hold onto through theyears.Kim Moeller:Oh, that’s beautiful. That’s beautiful. And then finally, any bargain? Surprisingly,a lot of my guests aren’t big bargain shoppers, so whereas I love bargains.Danica Dedmon:I’m a bargain shopper, but I think my suggestion to the audience would be tolook up your local Buy Nothing group. Have you heard of that before?KimMoeller:No, that’s a new one.Danica Dedmon:Buy Nothing.Kim Moeller:Okay.

 

This transcript was exported on Jan 30, 2024-view latest versionhere.Kim_Moeller_Ep_-_18_Danica_DedmonTranscript byRev.comPage12of13Danica Dedmon:Typically, they’re hosted on Facebook, and it’s within the proximity of yourhome, maybe three or five miles, a neighborhood, and the idea is that you’regiving and receiving so that you’re buying less. And so you can post on there,things that you’re looking for, or post on things that you want to give awaybefore donating it to a thrift store. And it’s just amazing-Kim Moeller:Neat.Danica Dedmon:How you can bless your neighbors, or receive from them, and in the process getto know who’s around you. And I’ve been so blessed by just a ton of randomfree things and vice versa-Kim Moeller:That’s great.Danica Dedmon:When I’m ready to get rid of something, I postit on there. So look up BuyNothing.Kim Moeller:Buy Nothing. We have in our house this little, we have our driveway, and thento the left of it is this little triangle of grass, and then there’s an alleyway, andwe call that triangle of grass the magiccorner. And when we’re cleaning out thegarage, we just put things there, and my husband will always be, “Oh, there’s noway someone’s going to take that,” I was like, “You watch.” I had this really biglight that we took down and put in a ceiling fan in this room that it kept gettingsuper hot in, and he is like, “No.” I go, “Let’s just give it a half hour,” and it waslike 20 minutes later, it was gone. So it’s so fun to just see, okay, who needs it?So, well, Danica, you’re the best. It’s so great having you on the podcast. I knowyou just really will encourage many, many people listening to your story, andwe’ll have the link to Marketplace Chaplains, and if someone wants to learnmore, they can find that as well and contact you. But thanks for just allowingGod to use your story and continue to lean into your two word purposestatement as you unearth treasure with your two boys and your husband and inthe workplace, and it’s just really very beautiful.Danica Dedmon:Thank you. I’m blessed by the opportunity to share, and God’s so good, and hebrings up such beautiful treasure through our stories. And I think one thing,when people hear that phrase of unearthing treasure, sometimes it feels a littlebit foreign, but one of the things that I like to expand on the picture of is asyou’re unearthing treasure, sometimes we pull up something that’s like a gross,dirty rock, and it then takes polishing and refining to turn it into something thatis ready to invest. And so I love being part of the journey for other people ofhelping them find those nuggets that, to them, it might feel like a dirty rock, butto encourage them into the process of, no, it’s something beautiful that God ispolishing, and we can hold onto that hope.Kim Moeller:And that phrase in theBible, how God can make beauty from ashes, is so, sotrue.